the state

-of armistice by jgrimsrud
Tuesday, 11 November 2008, 8:21
Filed under: -of jgrimsrud, -of politik

/veterans’ day.  via the new york times:

TODAY is the 90th anniversary of the armistice that ended the First World War, and it will be commemorated very differently on each side of the Atlantic and across the borders of Europe. It’s a reminder that not all “victors” experience wars in the same way, and that their citizens can have almost as much difficulty as those of the vanquished states in coping with the collective trauma of conflict.

so here are a couple of veteran songs:


and this, from studs terkel’s the good war, quotes from interviews 40 years after:

“We were in a tribal sort of situation [in the army], where we could help each other without fear. I realized that it was the absence of phony standards that created the thing I loved about the army.”

“This neighbor told me that what we needed was a damn good war, and we’d solve our agricultural problems. And I said, ‘Yes, but I’d hate to pay for it with my son. Which we did.’ He weeps. ‘It’s too much of a price to pay.'”

“The war was fun for America. I’m not talking about the poor souls who lost sons and daughters. But for the rest of us, the war was a hell of a good time.”

“The war changed our whole idea of how we wanted to live when we got back. We set our sights pretty high. All of us wanted better levels of living.”

“Ours was the only country among the combatants in World War Two that was neither invaded not bombed. Ours were the only cities not blasted to rubble.”

“World War Two has warped our view of how we look at things today. We see things in terms of that war, which in a sense was a good war. But the twisted memory of it encourages the men of my generation to be willing, almost eager, to use military force anywhere in the world.”

“It was one war that many who would have resisted ‘your other wars’ supported enthusiastically. It was a ‘just war,’ if there is any such animal. In a time of nuclear weaponry, it is the language of a lunatic.”


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